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Flour, meal and LONG term storage.

Postby justme_noname » Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:47 pm

Howdy preppers,

I been storing a good bit of food for survival and just catching things on sale. I seem to be having problems with flour and corn meal tho. I read that if you freeze flour and meal for several days then remove it from the freezer that it will store for a long time. The freezing kills anything bad in the flour/meal. I did this but it seems to not work. Some of the flour/meal ended up in the freezer for a week or more since I would forget to take it out. So, I'm sure it would have been in there long enough to freeze all the way through.

Problems. The meal had those little bugs in it, living and eating the meal. That was gross. :eek: The flour seems to be flat. I use the self rising flour since I make biscuits and such with it. The rising part seems to have left the bag. :rolleyes:

My question is this. How do I make flour and meal ready for long term storage? I would like to be able to rotate out at least a years worth, especially the flour. We use flour more than meal. I do rotate my food.

Thanks much.

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Re: Flour, meal and LONG term storage.

Postby Pedro wyoming » Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:13 pm

Look into diatomaceous earth. If you freeze the flour, the weevils will hatch a few days after the flour warms. This requires a refreeze a few days after the first. CO2 pack and heating will also kill the weevils and cysts.

Self rising flour has baking powder which is primarily soda added to it to make it rise. Over time, the baking soda decomposes. This process will occur even if the flour is sealed air tight. I do not know of any preservative that will stop this reaction. The best solution is store baking powder and flour separately.

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Re: Flour, meal and LONG term storage.

Postby JayJay » Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:41 pm

I use DE & bay leaf in my buckets; I also dry can.
I put my flour, meal, and pancake mix in uncovered quart jars on a cookie sheet and heat for 2 hours @ 225.
I remove, clean lid, attach ring..bing..bing..bing..
Should be good for long term storage.
Bugs inside? I'll just eat them.
It won't be the first bug I've eaten from oats, cereal, meal, or flour.
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Re: Flour, meal and LONG term storage.

Postby clock152 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:25 pm

Pedro has it right.... we freeze or flour and corn meal for 72 hours then let it thaw for 72 hours and then freeze it again.
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Re: Flour, meal and LONG term storage.

Postby spacecase0 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:33 pm

I use to try and store flour
then I got a grain mill,
fresh flour is so much better than flour that was made even one day ago,
if you store whole grain and grind what you need right before you need it
you will end up with way way better quality and better storage time (like in the 30 year range) with not much special packing

here is my favorite mill
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Digital-Ref ... 1532395.gc

and if I find bugs in the flour now I just put it through the mill again,
and you can't ever even tell there were bugs in there to start with.
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Re: Flour, meal and LONG term storage.

Postby clock152 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:44 pm

spacecase0 wrote:I use to try and store flour
then I got a grain mill,
fresh flour is so much better than flour that was made even one day ago,
if you store whole grain and grind what you need right before you need it
you will end up with way way better quality and better storage time (like in the 30 year range) with not much special packing

here is my favorite mill
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Digital-Ref ... 1532395.gc

and if I find bugs in the flour now I just put it through the mill again,
and you can't ever even tell there were bugs in there to start with.

LOL.... ummmm that is a microphone.
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Re: Flour, meal and LONG term storage.

Postby justme_noname » Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:32 pm

spacecase0 wrote:and if I find bugs in the flour now I just put it through the mill again,
and you can't ever even tell there were bugs in there to start with.


Ewwwwwwww ! Them bugs would have to go. I ain't grinding up bugs. :shakeno:

The bugs that were in the meal, there were alive. What I read said that if I froze the 5 lb bags, it would kill the bugs/eggs. I guess it doesn't do that so well.

So, if I freeze them, take them out and let the flour/meal get room temp again, then freeze it again, it should kill the bugs?

On the grain mill thing, buy wheat and grind it right? Where does one buy wheat? I guess I need to froogle wheat here in a bit. Sounds interesting. I just got through shopping up celery and drying it. I got three jelly jars full. That will last me a while. Still plan to do up some more tho. Going to get bell peppers next month. They dry good too. Works great for meat loaf.

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Re: Flour, meal and LONG term storage.

Postby spacecase0 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:46 pm

clock152 wrote:LOL.... ummmm that is a microphone.

my chat got confused with my forum posting...
here is the correct link
http://www.pleasanthillgrain.com/countr ... _mill.aspx
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Re: Flour, meal and LONG term storage.

Postby spacecase0 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:55 pm

justme_noname wrote:
spacecase0 wrote:and if I find bugs in the flour now I just put it through the mill again,
and you can't ever even tell there were bugs in there to start with.


Ewwwwwwww ! Them bugs would have to go. I ain't grinding up bugs. :shakeno:

that is what you get when you buy it at the store...
sound like you need a grain mill so you can sort the grain before you grind it
justme_noname wrote:The bugs that were in the meal, there were alive. What I read said that if I froze the 5 lb bags, it would kill the bugs/eggs. I guess it doesn't do that so well.

So, if I freeze them, take them out and let the flour/meal get room temp again, then freeze it again, it should kill the bugs?

I freeze it, then let all the eggs hatch and then refreeze before they can lay new eggs,
2 weeks out of the freezer seems to work out very well

justme_noname wrote:On the grain mill thing, buy wheat and grind it right? Where does one buy wheat? I guess I need to froogle wheat here in a bit. Sounds interesting. I just got through shopping up celery and drying it. I got three jelly jars full. That will last me a while. Still plan to do up some more tho. Going to get bell peppers next month. They dry good too. Works great for meat loaf.

:D :D

you can just grow your own...
this place sells it
http://www.pleasanthillgrain.com/buy_wh ... flour.aspx
as well as here
http://www.bobsredmill.com/organic-hard ... wheat.html (call them if you are going to order 200 pounds or more as you can get cheaper rates with shipping)

and most organic type grocery stores or co op stores have it in the bulk section or can order it for you.
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Re: Flour, meal and LONG term storage.

Postby kappydell » Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:32 am

some wal marts sell wheat next to the flours.
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Re: Flour, meal and LONG term storage.

Postby rjburk » Tue Sep 04, 2012 6:36 pm

If flour is put in mylar bags with oxygen asorbers will that kill any bugs ?
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Re: Flour, meal and LONG term storage.

Postby mr bill » Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:17 pm

Yes, more than likely. But look at it this way. If you are expecting to open a bag of flour in a few years and bake some bread, the last thing you want is a bad surprise with spoiled flour. If you are going to the expense and trouble to preserve food for future use, be sure that your efforts will pay off when you need them most. What you want to do is come as close as you can to a 100% guaranty that your food will be there when you need it. I double freeze meal and flour as well as whole grains, bag it in mylar and use absorbers. I test at least one LTS prep item every month and so far after 11 years the flour is in great condition.
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Re: Flour, meal and LONG term storage.

Postby basketchick43078 » Fri Oct 19, 2012 10:38 pm

OK... I was thinking..lol.. dangerous habit of mine.... Has anyone ever thought of buying the 50lb whole corn and 50 lb rolled oats from say a place like TSC from thier feed isle? If it's simply corn and oats, it would be super cheap.....?

second question... Can someone tell me what has happened to the OHIO forum? Each time I go there it says "locked"?
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