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GridEX II, Nov. 13-14, Don't miss it!

Postby FussyOldHen » Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:29 pm

Tobor mentioned a "a grid collapse drill set for november" on another thread, and no one seemed to pick up on it.

So I looked around, and there is indeed a government-sponsored drill set for November 13 & 14 (Wed & Thurs), called GridEX II.

From the NY Times: "As Worries Over the Power Grid Rise, a Drill Will Simulate a Knockout Blow" published a month ago: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/17/us/as-worries-over-the-power-grid-rise-a-drill-will-simulate-a-knockout-blow.html?pagewanted=all

"...thousands of utility workers, business executives, National Guard officers, F.B.I. anti-terrorism experts and officials from government agencies in the United States, Canada and Mexico are preparing for an emergency drill in November that will simulate physical attacks and cyberattacks that could take down large sections of the power grid.

"They will practice for a crisis unlike anything the real grid has ever seen, and more than 150 companies and organizations have signed up to participate."

"...the electric system is so tightly integrated that a collapse in one spot, whether by error or intent, can set off a cascade, as happened in August 2003, when a power failure took a few moments to spread from Detroit to New York."

It doesn't say exactly what they're going to do, but they seem to be referring to it as a "game". The American way is to prepare for the best-case scenario, rather than the worst. Here's the outline from the sponsor, NERC: http://www.spp.org/publications/13%20-%20CIPC%20Brief%20%28Harrell%20Conway%20Mar%202013%29%20V2.pdf

It may be a non-event for the rest of us, but..........

... wouldn't this be a nice prank for our govt to use as a huge "joke": crashing our power grid on purpose? It would interrupt water supplies, gasoline and diesel supplies, deliveries of food and meds, cut off banks and gas stations, and generally create havoc from coast to coast, from Canada to Mexico.

AND they're doing it right before winter. How many people in the frigid north DEPEND on electric heat?

Wouldn't THAT take people's minds off the pending economic disaster?

Hmmm... Wed and Thurs... my days off. Otherwise, I might have had to call in sick. Seems like a poor time to do any traveling if you have a suspicious mind like mine ... :'(
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Re: GridEX II, Nov. 13-14, Don't miss it!

Postby Blondie » Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:13 pm

I was working in a downtown highrise office building in a major metro area when the blackout hit. Fortunately after 9/11 we had a plan, where to meet, etc. I remember waiting in my vehicle and listening to the radio. Power was out as far as Toronto, not just NYC. I still don't believe the explanation.

That said, the drive home was surreal. People standing next to their vehicles on the interstate. No traffic lights in a congested downtown area. No gas. No gas pumps. No ATM's. Few stores open. Some accepted cash only until the shelves got bare. No water at home, city water pumps were not running. Good exercise. We came thru it just fine after 3 days.
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Re: GridEX II, Nov. 13-14, Don't miss it!

Postby oxfat » Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:22 pm

I've read up some on this exercise. It is more of a tabletop-style activity, although it can tell them things like when the best time to implement certain phases of their emergency plans, and also how to better communicate with other entities on the grid and know what they're observing and planning actions.

A good grid article that came out recently is for a test that compares the US Grid using spatial network techniques. The grid has some vulnerabilities.

http://www.nature.com/news/us-electrica ... re-1.13598
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Re: GridEX II, Nov. 13-14, Don't miss it!

Postby RVAprepper2319 » Wed Sep 18, 2013 6:34 am

The plant I work for hasn't heard anything of this from NERC. But apparently they did GRIDEX I back in 2011. But this is still only the second time they've ever done something like this. I don't think anything will come of it and we probably won't even hear about it in the news.

But then again, stranger things have happened. That's why we prep.

And yes the grid has a TON of vulnerabilities. If the east and west grids were ever to be separated (there's only 3 cross-tie points) they would never be able to be connected back up due to frequency matching issues unless EVERYTHING was shut down. That would make a lot of people very uneasy. And that's not even mentioning how many substations and switch yards that are behind nothing more than chain link fence and a bit of barbed wire.
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Re: GridEX II, Nov. 13-14, Don't miss it!

Postby oxfat » Thu Sep 19, 2013 6:37 pm

RVAprepper2319 wrote:The plant I work for hasn't heard anything of this from NERC. But apparently they did GRIDEX I back in 2011. But this is still only the second time they've ever done something like this. I don't think anything will come of it and we probably won't even hear about it in the news.

But then again, stranger things have happened. That's why we prep.

And yes the grid has a TON of vulnerabilities. If the east and west grids were ever to be separated (there's only 3 cross-tie points) they would never be able to be connected back up due to frequency matching issues unless EVERYTHING was shut down. That would make a lot of people very uneasy. And that's not even mentioning how many substations and switch yards that are behind nothing more than chain link fence and a bit of barbed wire.

The east and west grids are interconnected? I didn't know that. I thought the only "planned" interconnect was to be the tres amigas interconnect. And it is supposed to allow the interconnect of all three grids without frequency matching.

You have any links on the interconnects? I'd be interested in reading up on them. Also, I used to work at a plant (nuclear) in Ohio, until I moved to the warm, wonderful south. Are you nuclear, fossil, or other?
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Re: GridEX II, Nov. 13-14, Don't miss it!

Postby RVAprepper2319 » Fri Sep 20, 2013 9:29 am

oxfat wrote:
RVAprepper2319 wrote:The plant I work for hasn't heard anything of this from NERC. But apparently they did GRIDEX I back in 2011. But this is still only the second time they've ever done something like this. I don't think anything will come of it and we probably won't even hear about it in the news.

But then again, stranger things have happened. That's why we prep.

And yes the grid has a TON of vulnerabilities. If the east and west grids were ever to be separated (there's only 3 cross-tie points) they would never be able to be connected back up due to frequency matching issues unless EVERYTHING was shut down. That would make a lot of people very uneasy. And that's not even mentioning how many substations and switch yards that are behind nothing more than chain link fence and a bit of barbed wire.

The east and west grids are interconnected? I didn't know that. I thought the only "planned" interconnect was to be the tres amigas interconnect. And it is supposed to allow the interconnect of all three grids without frequency matching.

You have any links on the interconnects? I'd be interested in reading up on them. Also, I used to work at a plant (nuclear) in Ohio, until I moved to the warm, wonderful south. Are you nuclear, fossil, or other?



We're just a small (200 MW) coal plant. Here is the link to the grid interconnects.

https://sites.google.com/site/theuspowergrid/

going through school and from colleagues in the industry i've found out that there are only really three main connections between the grids; that if they were to go, it would be near impossible to sync back up.

Do you work at a plant where you are now?
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Re: GridEX II, Nov. 13-14, Don't miss it!

Postby oxfat » Fri Sep 20, 2013 8:12 pm

Ah, I think I understand where we're talking past each other. The NERC term for a grid is an "interconnect," so we're essentially just using the terms differently. There are supposed to be some connections between the three grids, but I've never been able to find detailed information. In any case, the three grids are not necessarily in phase with each other. The tres amigas station is meant to tie them together (up to like 750MW) without needing to be synchronized.

In doing some research, I came across a lot of articles from 2013 on the lack of reliability of our grid(s). Scary stuff.

I don't work at a utility anymore. I work for a company that does all sorts of work for nuclear utilities. The part I'm in writes software for safety systems, both for commercial nuclear and more recently on the plutonium processing at the MOX facility in South Carolina. The plutonium processing is interesting, but it's also government work, and it could go away if they shut everything down October 1st!
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Re: GridEX II, Nov. 13-14, Don't miss it!

Postby grunt » Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:35 pm

NERC is a private not-for-profit regulator of the grid. This is a private sector exercise and government has simply been invited to play. As NERC has often said, this is a simulated exercise and there will be no operational impacts to the generation, transmission, or distribution of electric power. No customers will be w/o power. NERC conducted a similar drill in 2011 to exercise information sharing within the sector. We live in an age of cyber and physical threats and the utility industry must be ready to respond in order to keep the lights on.
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Re: GridEX II, Nov. 13-14, Don't miss it!

Postby ReadyMom » Sat Nov 09, 2013 7:48 pm

They're kidding, right? I mean ... really ... they're kidding ....

Chinese Troops Will Have Boots On The Ground In Hawaii On Tuesday
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/59113

Meanwhile, let’s hope the last one out of the GridEx 2 simulation exercise turns North America’s lights back on.

Image Aloha Hawaiians! If you see what you think are soldiers from the Communist Peoples Republic of China Army wandering about in your neck of the woods Tuesday through Thursday next week, your imagination is not playing tricks on you.

For the first time in history the U.S. Army will host the Communist Peoples Republic of China’s Army on American soil Nov. 12-14, 2013.

But don’t worry while Chinese soldiers will have boots on the ground in Hawaii, they are only really “simulating”.

“Simulating humanitarian assistance and disaster relief to a fictional third country”.

You can’t make this stuff up when GridEx 2 is doing it for you.

GridEx 2 (there was already a GridEx 1in November of 2011) is a massive ‘emergency drill’ planned to take place across the whole of North America with thousands of utility workers, business executives, National Guard officers, FBI antiterrorism experts and officials from government agencies, in the United States, Canada and Mexico (who) are preparing for an emergency drill in November that will simulate physical attacks and cyberattacks that could take down large sections of the power grid. (New York Times, Aug. 16, 2013).

The exercise is touted as a unified move “to test the resiliency of the U.S. power grid to withstand major damage causes by a natural disaster or deliberate attack”.

“Fears about the possible detonation of a nuclear warhead in the skies about the United States, for the purposes of creating an electromagnetic pulse aimed at sizzling electronics on the ground, have led a number of public figures to call for significant steps to strengthen the power grid. Ex-CIA head R. James Woolsey is planing a campaign to convince state governments to pass laws requiring utilities to harden their electronics against potential EMP attacks.

“A key objective of GridEx 2 is to learn how governments would handle a loss of electrical power that is large enough to drastically affect the delivery of common and essential goods and services.” (NYT)

Hoping that the U.S., Canada or Mexico aren’t GridEx 2’s “fictional third country” and that the soldiers out on reconnaissance in Blue Hawaii don’t stamp ‘Made in China’ on it.

The New York Times reported on GridEx 2’s massive, Nov. 13-14 drill on August 16, but never mentioned the participation of the Peoples Republic of China’s Army.

China’s Xinhua Agencies kicked in on November 6 reporting that American and Chinese soldiers will train together in the November exercise.

“The US military Pacific Commander, Samuel Locklear, said here Tuesday that a joint humanitarian assistance and disaster relief exercise to be held this month helps improve the relationship between the United States and China.” (Xinhua Agencies, Nov. 6, 2013)

”Locklear told a news briefing that the Pacific Command’s Army component commander in Hawaii has been looking forward to the Nov. 12-14 exercises “for some time”, as the Army will host the People’s Liberation Army soldiers of China to train together in a field environment, simulating humanitarian assistance and disaster relief to a fictional third country.

“Summing up his expectations for the joint exercise, Locklear said both militaries can learn something in disaster management and “better prepare tomorrow than yesterday”.

“In relation to our ability to do this with our Chinese counterparts”, he said, “this kind of exercise gives us a place to start, and get into the rhythm of understanding and trusting each other.”

“The joint exercise was announced during an August visit to Washington by Chinese Minister of National Defense Chang Wanquan, as China and the United States expand their military-to-military relationship and explore cooperation opportunities in non-traditional security areas.”

On August 19, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel escorted China Minister of National Defense Gen. Wanquan during an honor cordon at the Pentagon.

In a same day press conference, Gen. Wanquan said China’s military has never supported any hacker actions, expressing at the joint press conference that the cyber space is a new field and cyberspace security threats have become a world wide problem. “China is one of the major victims of hacker attacks, suffering serious threats from network attacks,” he said.

Meanwhile, let’s hope the last one out of the GridEx 2 simulation exercise turns North America’s lights back on.
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Re: GridEX II, Nov. 13-14, Don't miss it!

Postby FussyOldHen » Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:59 am

“The exercise is touted as a unified move ‘to test the resiliency of the U.S. power grid to withstand major damage causes by a natural disaster or deliberate attack’ ”.

I read some years ago that our grid is so old and decrepit that it wouldn’t take much to crash it.* Did they update it all and I wasn’t informed??? :shock:

.....*2011 California Blackout (real): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Southwest_blackout

“China is one of the major victims of hacker attacks, suffering serious threats from network attacks…”

And here I thought that China was one of the major OFFENDERS. I guess my A.D.D. is flaring up again… :rolleyes:
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Postby Lynda » Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:27 am

This has been discussed since at least September. It's a test. Why wouldn't response be tested? I don't see any great conspiracy here.
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Re: GridEX II, Nov. 13-14, Don't miss it!

Postby FussyOldHen » Mon Nov 11, 2013 3:51 am

The Powers That Be have screwed up our economy, our educational system, our medical system, our water supply, our food supply, our standing in the world, and have started wars for fun and profit. [This is not a complete list.]

Not that they WILL, but what gives the impression that our aged decrepit power structure is safe from their manipulations when nothing else is?

As far as I'm concerned, it's unlikely. This is just another page in the "What If --- Game" of mental preparations. I play it all the time, esp when I'm stuck in traffic going half a mile per hour because some 17-yo bozo thought it was perfectly safe to text at 70 mph in rush-hour traffic, and the other brain-dead zombies can't move out of the way of red and blue flashing lights coming up behind them without an engraved invitation.
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Postby Lynda » Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:06 am

FussyOldHen wrote:The Powers That Be have screwed up our economy, our educational system, our medical system, our water supply, our food supply, our standing in the world, and have started wars for fun and profit. [This is not a complete list.]

Not that they WILL, but what gives the impression that our aged decrepit power structure is safe from their manipulations when nothing else is?

As far as I'm concerned, it's unlikely. This is just another page in the "What If --- Game" of mental preparations. I play it all the time, esp when I'm stuck in traffic going half a mile per hour because some 17-yo bozo thought it was perfectly safe to text at 70 mph in rush-hour traffic, and the other brain-dead zombies can't move out of the way of red and blue flashing lights coming up behind them without an engraved invitation.



It's a test. That's all; much like the chemical "attack" and response test that took place in Boston a few years back in which my husband and son's reserve unit participated.

The only thing that manipulated our power structure here in MA was the heavy snowstorm in late October the year before last during which we lost power for a week.

I'm sure the government and power companies are aware of their limitations; thus the reason for the test.
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Postby only+strong » Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:17 am

Of course it is only a "test". So was the Boston marathon, Sandy Hook, Aurora, Syria, etc, etc...I also would have "trained" foreign troops in FEMA Region 3, cancelled all US troops leave, bought MILLIONS of MREs, water, blankets, portable showers and "housing", and all those harmless rounds of HOLLOW POINT bullets (not even allowed in WAR). Guess just domestically :drool: . Not to mention all the Russian AK-47s and (sp) Kalishnakovs and needed ammo???? And had ALL this delivered to Region 3 for a test :whistling: Anyone NOT believeing that this regime would do ANYTHING to begin their NWO plan, after EVERYTHING that has/is happening on a daily basis in this country is sadly part of the problem we have. **Did I say the regiome was going to do something? NO. But the "Head-in-the -sand" approach the sheeple of America have is pathetic, and has contributed greatly to the downfall, and coming collapse of our country. Is it very hard to comprehend that those "elected" to protect our nation are the very same scum that are INTENTIONALLY trying to collapse it? Certainly. But sooner or later, reality must kick in, and people must at least have the capacity to believe . We will never be able to try and stop what is happening if the majority can't not "handle the truth", or even be open to hearing it. Hope you all have a nice little Faraday Cage/Can going on
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Postby Lynda » Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:04 am

Wake me up when it's over. Thanks in advance.
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