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Online data collection and privacy

Postby founderant » Thu Mar 09, 2017 9:26 pm

Interesting article on data collection.

One day I think they will have so much data on people, that anyone trying to scrub their online information will become suspicious.

What do you think.

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Re: Online data collection and privacy

Postby Murby » Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:01 pm

I think:

1. I don't put any information on facebook or any other social networking sites.
2. I never use my real name anywhere unless I'm making a credit card purchase.
3. I use firefox with NoScript, DoNotTrackme, and Cookie Selfdestructor so I have control over what websites can and can't do.

And above all else:
I use a Virtual Private Network service that states in writing they DO NOT keep logs or records and that allows me to change my VPN Location on a whim. =$30/year for the service.

With all that, the government could still track me but it would have to do so intentionally and target me specifically, and for that, they'd need a court order..

That said, I don't protect myself because of the government.. I don't do anything that would warrant their attention.. (get it? warrant! LOL) I crack myself up! hehehe.. I keep myself private to prevent the corporations from taking advantage of me.
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Re: Online data collection and privacy

Postby daaswampman » Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:22 pm

I don't think you can stop them, but you might be able to confuse them. Swamp
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Re: Online data collection and privacy

Postby rickdun » Fri Mar 10, 2017 4:56 am

Murby wrote:I think:

1. I don't put any information on facebook or any other social networking sites.
2. I never use my real name anywhere unless I'm making a credit card purchase.
3. I use firefox with NoScript, DoNotTrackme, and Cookie Selfdestructor so I have control over what websites can and can't do.

And above all else:
I use a Virtual Private Network service that states in writing they DO NOT keep logs or records and that allows me to change my VPN Location on a whim. =$30/year for the service.

With all that, the government could still track me but it would have to do so intentionally and target me specifically, and for that, they'd need a court order..

That said, I don't protect myself because of the government.. I don't do anything that would warrant their attention.. (get it? warrant! LOL) I crack myself up! hehehe.. I keep myself private to prevent the corporations from taking advantage of me.


The government tracks by IP address, all computers, smart phones, iphones, etc., are all registered and tracked by GPS. The government may not know who you are but they know where you are.
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Re: Online data collection and privacy

Postby contrarian » Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:39 am

Murby wrote:<SNIP>With all that, the government could still track me but it would have to do so intentionally and target me specifically, and for that, they'd need a court order.. <SNIP>

I do understand the sentiment but sadly the government does what it wants now and doesn't bother with such minor irritations. NSA and CIA have both been shown to spy on us. Given the history of the FBI, I seriously doubt they are any more innocent. "The government" can easily figure out who we are if they chose.

For those of you who are concerned, the EFF has great resources. There are a number of other privacy advocates as well that one can follow. Sun Microsystems chief executive Scott McNealy said there is no privacy on the internet, get over it. I, for one, will not. We need to keep up the good fight for our privacy. Not because we have any thing to hide but because some things are private.
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Re: Online data collection and privacy

Postby rickdun » Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:57 am

I agree with Contrarian, The FBI director, just yesterday, stated on national TV, that no American has any privacy and they may as well get used to it.

Although I certainly do not agree with us being spied on by our own government, but we have been a POLICE state for quit awhile now and I don't foresee it changing in the near furture, if at all. Just my opinion.
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Re: Online data collection and privacy

Postby DR1VENbyKNOWLEDGE » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:05 am

This is a tuff one.....

It's wrong. It's not what we were built upon. It should not be accepted. But what are you going to do about it?

Short of living in the dark ages with no connectivity, no bank accounts, no nothing, there will still be records on county recorders websites etc. that they can do with as they will...

Again, while not condoning it and fighting it where I can, doing nothing wrong they can look at me all they want and I'm not worried about it....That's not an excuse to say it should be allowed and accepted, but seriously, what are you going to do other than what we already do?


Snowden showed us how bad it was.....Obama stated "It will not be accepted and I have stopped all metadata practices"....and now we get the new Wiki leaks not only showing it didn't stop under him, but grew even further.


There is not a single organization in the history of the world that hasn't abused the powers it was given or has taken .....period...

Now??? They don't call this the information age for no reason.....

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Re: Online data collection and privacy

Postby rickdun » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:13 am

Even the great Roman Empire destroyed itself.
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Re: Online data collection and privacy

Postby ajax727 » Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:11 am

There is no privacy when it comes down to data collection . With all the devices listed above we use everyday and data being collected there is one that is overlooked , what i call dead end fiber optic cables aka listen post they are everywhere . So it would seem we are spied upon in more ways than the average person knows about .
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Re: Online data collection and privacy

Postby Blondie » Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:41 pm

Americans volunteer to give up their info and privacy more freely than any agency ever secretly digs up on them.

They complete surveys, enter contests, correct info about their homes and property on sites like Zillow, add unknown friends of friends and "like" on FB, subscribe to more chit, don't opt out of anything and the dumbest yet.....buy things like that Alexa device that constantly record you in your own home.

Think about what you freely give up when you're asked but aren't mandated to answer.
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Re: Online data collection and privacy

Postby Stahlrosen » Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:51 pm

Unfortunately there is little we can do about it. I mean yes, we can unplug and mitigate things as best as possible, but in the end if you have family you care about, or a job, or obligations outside the confines of home, they are going to be able to find you one way or another. My biggest concern is not that we are doing anything "wrong" but that tomorrow, what you did yesterday, that wasn't wrong, is now. All that data collection comes in handy when they create new laws and regulations to make you a criminal tomorrow, whereas you weren't yesterday.

It does baffle me all the info people willingly give up without a second thought, posting things online. Kinda crazy.
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Re: Online data collection and privacy

Postby Murby » Fri Mar 10, 2017 5:50 pm

rickdun wrote:
The government tracks by IP address, all computers, smart phones, iphones, etc., are all registered and tracked by GPS. The government may not know who you are but they know where you are.


And how would they track me through a VPN without serving a warrant on the VPN?
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Re: Online data collection and privacy

Postby rickdun » Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:15 pm

Murby wrote:
rickdun wrote:
The government tracks by IP address, all computers, smart phones, iphones, etc., are all registered and tracked by GPS. The government may not know who you are but they know where you are.


And how would they track me through a VPN without serving a warrant on the VPN?


Murby, that's the legal way of doing things, we are not living in a legal society anymore, you may want to direct your question to the CIA, NSA, DNI, etc. and see what kind of response you get from them.
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Re: Online data collection and privacy

Postby daaswampman » Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:39 pm

Murby wrote:
rickdun wrote:
The government tracks by IP address, all computers, smart phones, iphones, etc., are all registered and tracked by GPS. The government may not know who you are but they know where you are.


And how would they track me through a VPN without serving a warrant on the VPN?


How would you know if a VPN has been served a warrant or not, unless your the top dog? Even a small and secure VPN or any variant crosses the net, so a warrant may be pointless. The recent "cloud' issues makes it more pointless. I sure don't have answers, but if you want to keep a secret - you don't tell anyone. Swamp
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Re: Online data collection and privacy

Postby Murby » Sat Mar 11, 2017 12:46 am

rickdun wrote:Murby, that's the legal way of doing things, we are not living in a legal society anymore, you may want to direct your question to the CIA, NSA, DNI, etc. and see what kind of response you get from them.

There's no technical way that I am aware of for the government to track my movements going through a VPN without the VPN knowing about it and allowing it. They could track me through my ISP, but all they'd see is a bunch of heavily encrypted data that would require time on a super-computer in order to crack. Good luck with that...

So this would reduce the variables to just two:
A) They serve a warrant on the vpn ordering them to hand over the data for me specifically. As I was saying, they could still track my internet activities if they targeted me specifically but even their warrant would be nearly useless as my VPN and its encryption are external to the USA and thus not subject to any warrants. The NSA, and probably the NSA alone, probably has the computing power to intercept my encrypted traffic through my ISP and decrypt it.. that said, we're not talking about a geek like me with a good computer doing this.. This type of thing would take a significant amount of resources, as in the kind of resources that tie up expensive super-computers.. And again, they'd have to target me specifically..

B) The VPN service I use is complicit and volunteers the information.. I seriously doubt they would do this as it would put them out of business in a big hurry once word got out. In fact, to my knowledge, no VPN service has ever done this or even been accused of doing it. That would be on par with a gynecologist being accused of taking pictures of patients and posting them on the internet.. Who would visit that doctor after that?.. All of the government spying that has taken place has happened through the telecommunications companies like Verizon, Comcast, etc and all of the surveillance (again to my knowledge), was low level data collection using a big wide fishing net. Anyone with an ounce of technical common sense and concern for their privacy could have easily avoided being swept up in it.. IE: those of us who use heavily encrypted VPN services with IP addresses that change on an hourly basis.





daaswampman wrote:How would you know if a VPN has been served a warrant or not, unless your the top dog? Even a small and secure VPN or any variant crosses the net, so a warrant may be pointless. The recent "cloud' issues makes it more pointless. I sure don't have answers, but if you want to keep a secret - you don't tell anyone. Swamp

My VPN is not subject to the laws of the USA even though they have servers here.. The encryption is still external. I also never do anything with "the cloud".

The point being, as I was saying earlier, if they want to track ME specifically, they're going to have to devote considerable resources.. Funny thing is, they wouldn't find anything anyhow.. Some interest in prepping for the end of the world, a few minor political comments, a bit of lesbian porn, an anti-religious rant here or there, and a few searches to find cheap 22lr ammo.. Not exactly juicy stuff for a law enforcement agency.

So one might ask.. Then why use a VPN at all if you're not doing anything wrong???? Here are my personal reasons in no important order:
1. ISP's are known for "throttling" their users bandwidth based on the website they are visiting. If you visit youtube, they might slow your connection down a bit to save themselves money. By going through a VPN, your ISP has no idea of where your data is going or where its coming from.. That means that profiling your data and throttling your connection based on that profile is impossible.

2. I don't want corporations tracking my movements and then tailoring their services or products based on some psychological profile they have of me based on my internet habits.

3. I search for all kinds of things on the internet.. I even searched for information on how long it takes for a child to die in a hot car because I was curious as to how parents make these mistakes when I see the stories in the news. What if I searched for this information and then a month or two later, it happened to me? A prosecution could use that information against me and claim I planned it all along. (Ya, I just made that up because I saw a similar thing happen in the news a few months back) My point being, "Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law".. and your internet activities are fair game. By using a VPN, and proper computer management and drive encryption, I can avoid all those worries.

4. (and this one is a bit embarrassing but I'm going to be honest about it) Occasionally, usually in the winter months when I'm bored, I find it fun to infiltrate websites that cater to really bad people..and then troll a bit for fun.. You know the types.. the KKK, the White Pride, and the religious wacko websites... Sometimes its fun to poke them with a stick and get a rise.. Of course, this results in being banned pretty quickly but its still fun.. Using a VPN allows me to change my IP address anytime I want and gives me the option of just using a different username.

VPN's are great! I find it silly that everyone doesn't use them...
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