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Who Will Be Your Doctor?

Postby Cadit » Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:04 pm

If and I say If or When the grid goes down in SHTF event. Who will be your doctor? You, and family member. What is their knowledge base? Where will you get your meds needed in a hostile situation or environment? Like Comms, Water and food, this too is a very important part of prepping. choose your training wisely, don't invest time and money in skills that want benefit you and your family Immediately, and know that all other skills are trade skills to help provide or supplement. Presently; I myself know these skills, my wife know some. but learning.

I have so far invested in: Comms, Herbalism, Emergency Medical, for my base skills and are working on more. It takes time and practice, I try to hone these daily. What is your base skills? and Who all know how to do or use them?
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Re: Who Will Be Your Doctor?

Postby angie_nrs » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:59 pm

Well, even if you have a plan on WHO your doctor will be, you should be prepared for the fact that in a SHTF situation, they won't be able to rely on the tech that they use now, so their diagnostic abilities will be significantly hampered. Without a proper diagnosis, treatment will be tricky at best. No X-rays, MRI's, Ultrasounds, blood tests, scope surgeries, etc. If you think about it, most of your health care is completely reliant on tech. As more time passes, doctors are also more reliant on tech. As the older generation of docs retire (which they are currently doing at an alarming rate) you will be left with doctors who have little or no experience on tech free doctoring. As it is now, the insurance companies tie the doctors hands and they can't practice the way they want to anyways....but that is a different topic for a different day. The point is, your doctor won't be nearly as good at his/her job as they used to be. And if you think it's hard to get an appointment now...........

I am very anti pharmaceutical, so thankfully, I won't personally have to worry about no meds. However, I have recently become fascinated with tinctures, oils, and herbs as I prefer the natural route. Even though learning about herbal and alternative remedies is a huge (almost daunting) task, I think it is time well spent. If nothing else, I would make sure to have reference books on hand. Also have some recipes on hand for typical tinctures and have the supplies on hand to make your own if the need arises. Better yet, practice now! At the very least I would suggest some dark colored eye dropper bottles, small (pint or half pint) jars with lids, small funnels, and 100% vodka. You can find the supplies pretty cheaply on amazon or online vet stores.
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Re: Who Will Be Your Doctor?

Postby oldasrocks » Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:56 am

I think you would be better off with an older vet over a young doctor. As a vet told me once- Its harder to be a vet because the animal can't tell you where it hurts. For the reasons given above a vet is used to doing everything compared to calling in a specialist or a flight for life--which is way overused now.

We have the best of both worlds-- An older nurse that takes care of all her farm animals.
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Re: Who Will Be Your Doctor?

Postby dmwalsh568 » Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:59 am

Don't forget that in addition to who is going to be the medic in your group, you need to know who is the backup medic in case the primary person becomes injured or sick and can't treat themselves let alone others.

I know it's useful that I have medical preps, but I also keep basic instructions by each set of tools, tablets, etc so if I'm unable to provide care to our group that my wife or other competent adult has a clue. Doesn't matter how much ORS powder, how many bottles of OTC meds, or how well my pet medicine cabinet is stocked if the backup medic doesn't know what to use when....
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Re: Who Will Be Your Doctor?

Postby rebnavy1862 » Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:17 am

oldasrocks wrote:I think you would be better off with an older vet over a young doctor. As a vet told me once- Its harder to be a vet because the animal can't tell you where it hurts. For the reasons given above a vet is used to doing everything compared to calling in a specialist or a flight for life--which is way overused now.

We have the best of both worlds-- An older nurse that takes care of all her farm animals.

My wife is an RN with 47 years of experience. I am an an "old vet", four years in the US Navy ;) Does that count?
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Re: Who Will Be Your Doctor?

Postby DR1VENbyKNOWLEDGE » Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:16 am

rebnavy1862 wrote:
oldasrocks wrote:I think you would be better off with an older vet over a young doctor. As a vet told me once- Its harder to be a vet because the animal can't tell you where it hurts. For the reasons given above a vet is used to doing everything compared to calling in a specialist or a flight for life--which is way overused now.

We have the best of both worlds-- An older nurse that takes care of all her farm animals.

My wife is an RN with 47 years of experience. I am an an "old vet", four years in the US Navy ;) Does that count?
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Your wife has to be willing to work with you to be considered a double threat though, right Reb?.... ;) I know I'm Asssed out on that one. :rofl:

This one is a sore spot for me(No, not the wife thing)...

I'm stymied on finding scripts for antibiotics...I'm not willing to travel to Mexico since the closest border for me is TJ(talk about a hell hole), and I cant find a single Dr. willing to write me a script for just preps. I'm pulling my hair out on this one....Cant even pay cash in Canada without a script....I want meds and just don't trust the "dosage info/quality/manufactured in China" situation that pet meds entail...Homeopathy will only take you so far.

I'm prepped for food, water, about as trained/practiced as you can be in firearms without ever being actually downrange(NO ONE knows how good they are until led is coming at you), been growing my own for the last 4 years now roughly, extra seeds on hand, etc. etc. etc......My med preps SUCK!!!! I'm very frustrated in this area...I have a 2 yr old that I feel extra responsible for and have nothing past basic first aid.

Dr's, if ever a SHTF situ happens, will be VERY hard to access...There just aren't enough of them...

It is only a show, sure... But I find the last couple of seasons of the Walking Dead very accurate in this specific area speculating....Communities would have only one or 2 within them....Any "warlord" in a given area will definitely be snatching them up as a priority resource.....Not only will Dr's/nurses be sparse, if they want to stay in a semi safe environment they will have to keep a low profile or be heavily defended...



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Postby rebnavy1862 » Fri Apr 07, 2017 4:00 pm
Driven, are you sure you are from Kalifornia? You make a lot of sense.
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Re: Who Will Be Your Doctor?

Postby daaswampman » Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:49 pm

You would have to be crazy to admit you were in the medical field following a collapse. People would still maintain high expectation and you would have limited resources - a recipe to get hurt in a hurry. Would people understand how little a Physician could do, with little or no supplies or resources?

Then there is reality! Are you going to use irreplaceable supplies on people you don't know or would you save them for those you do? Are you going to expose yourself to who knows what and pray you don't take it home to your family? Good Luck with finding a Physician! Swamp
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Re: Who Will Be Your Doctor?

Postby Cadit » Sat Jun 10, 2017 10:41 am

I agree that in todays world, the doctor of today will be almost useless. I know that if I have something other than a cold or the flue or a cut, my primary doctor is useless and he will send me to another doctor that can treat me. A paramedic in a grid down would be much more useful, and have better knowledge of how to treat someone. Now a trauma Doctor or EMT, would suit my needs, but in a grid down situation, there isn't that many of them that could help. And their prices would be sky high.

I have and am studying Herbalism, Emergency Medical and Dentistry somewhat. We will need someone who can do all these things, like doctors did in the eighteen hundreds. I myself will not treat anyone outside my family or group, Someone outside our group, I would advise them on what to do and tell them a type of herb to get to help fight infection. I would not use any of my supplies on people outside those of my family or in our group. These people are my lifeline and I need to care for them and save what emergency supplies I would have for them. Herbalism is my main means of treatment for infections, cuts, bruises and for those times where you need to sew someone up, Practice now, get that suture kit, go to the grocery store and pick up pig feet, make cuts on these, then sew them up, do this until you get good at it. There are articles and Utube videos on this, watch; then practice often.

Someone said a something about a back-up medical personnel, they are absolutely correct, the old saying; "ones is none, two is one and three is two." :D
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Re: Who Will Be Your Doctor?

Postby daaswampman » Sat Jun 10, 2017 6:28 pm

If you are planning on herbs or some homemade concoction to cure today's infections, you better have a good supply of body bags! I have been "into" natural treatments for decades and its value is in long term prevention of illness. Learning the art takes a lifetime, finding anyone beyond a novice will be nearly impossible. Swamp
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Re: Who Will Be Your Doctor?

Postby Arkiepharmer » Sat Jun 10, 2017 10:15 pm

I have to think you guys need to change doctors. I have several MD's among family and close friends and they can diagnose quite well with a history and exam. Now they may order every lab and procedure in the book to CYA from the lawyers, but they would not be nearly as useless as you think. The things they couldn't diagnose would be things that couldn't be treated anyway. Now, finding a doc that would treat the masses that have nothing to offer but threats if their family isn't cured would be an entirely different thing...
Have to agree with swamp's last comment, you can have your herbal remedies, I'm bringing my pharmacy with me. They have a place strengthening immune systems etc, but herbal remedies have not shown effectiveness against most current ills.
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Re: Who Will Be Your Doctor?

Postby jean11 » Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:00 am

Driver, it is quite easy to get antibiotics by mail. fishmoxfishflex.com has been providing quality antibiotics for years. Their source is Thomas Labs who have been in business since the mid 80's. I have bought a number of their antibiotics, and used them, and they worked as expected. They come in bottles of 100 for a very reasonable price.

They sell Amoxicillin, Keflex, Ampicillin, Metronidazale, Cipro, Tetracycline, Erythromycin, and more. These are human antibiotics that are also used for fish in aquariums.

I've also used them on my dog. Where as my dose would be 500mg for Keflex, Scotty's dose is 250. So he has his bottle of 100, and I have mine. Again, they did the job nicely.
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Re: Who Will Be Your Doctor?

Postby IceFire » Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:28 pm

One of the main issues with antibiotics is knowing WHICH antibiotic to use. They are NOT all the same, and different ones are needed to treat different conditions. Some infections are caused by gram-negative bacteria, and will require one type of antibiotic. Other infections are caused by gram-positive bacteria, which will require a totally different type of antibiotic. How will you know which antibiotic is needed to do the job? Then, there are the issues of antibiotic resistance and antibiotic allergies.
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Re: Who Will Be Your Doctor?

Postby jean11 » Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:44 pm

Yes IceFire, you are right about all of those issues. I've researched much of that myself, but, when the time comes to use them I have 4 RN's within two blocks, and an MD next door. For me the important thing is having a supply of antibiotics in place and waiting.
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Re: Who Will Be Your Doctor?

Postby 101airborne » Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:53 pm

We are extremely lucky. We have a Doctor as part of our group. As well as three nurses and a couple of army combat medics.
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Re: Who Will Be Your Doctor?

Postby Cadit » Wed Jun 14, 2017 4:45 pm

Some very good conversation going, But what are you going to do when those antibiotics are gone and you can't get any more? I too have stocked up on them and have a good supply. but if anyone finds out that you have them, then you become a target. And what of antibiotic resistance? Most antibiotics aren't any good for fighting the infections they were designed for. And now can have the opposite effect. Plus; where do you think they get these antibiotics? Nature! Plus they put so many chemicals in meds today, I'm Diabetic, and the metformin I've taken for years is now found to cause cancer? And the doctors knew this but still proscribed it, knowing it could put you on a path that no ones to go down. Why do you think the pharms pay to push their meds? And don't say they don't, there's too many court cases to where this has been proven. I told my Diabetic's doctor not to give me anything that has been identified as a cancer cause agent, because every member of my family had died from cancer. Then one day in the early morning I got a call; from four different Law Firms, wanted to represent me in a law suite. I called my doctor and left a message asking him to call me. Never received a call back, and when I would call, I was always told he was with a patient and that he would return my call. Didn't happen.

So I'm glad you have someone you can trust with your life and the lives of your loved ones, wish I did. But I'm the only one I trust with the health and welfare of my family. Everyone else I hold accountable. But as long as money is more important that the patient, then I don't trust them with my health, they lie and will lie to your face. There are too many Cons against the Doctor today than they are Pros. And yes; they do run a lot of test, then proscribe crap that will kill you. I mean; watch the commercials, for this and for that, the side effects are Horrible, most times worst than the illness. Come on; they must think we are stupid.

All we can do it try to help ourselves, and don't get me wrong, antibiotics was a great discovery, but pharms have over pushed them and doctor have over used them. and now they are rushing to find an alternative. :shakeno:
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