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Explosion at Manchester England concert

Postby BK in KC » Mon May 22, 2017 7:41 pm

Manchester Arena explosion at Ariana Grande gig kills 19 and injures 50 as cops swarm to treat wounded concertgoers

POLICE have confirmed that 19 people have died and about 50 been injured after an “explosion” at Manchester Arena sent thousands of terrified concertgoers fleeing an Ariana Grande concert.

Witnesses on social media have reported hearing a “massive bang” before screaming crowds rushed out of the venue with police confirming the explosion is being treated as a “terrorist incident”.


Time to light up the Eiffel Tower again, change your Facebook photo, and call anybody who speculates on the motives a racist
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Re: Explosion at Manchester England concert

Postby ReadyMom » Mon May 22, 2017 7:56 pm

Watching the coverage now. I'm from England. Lots of family still there. :( :( :( :( :( -k
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Re: Explosion at Manchester England concert

Postby BK in KC » Mon May 22, 2017 8:04 pm

ReadyMom wrote:Watching the coverage now. I'm from England. Lots of family still there. :( :( :( :( :( -k


I pray your loved ones are safe.
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Re: Explosion at Manchester England concert

Postby Illini Warrior » Tue May 23, 2017 6:51 am

they have a young Asian guy in custody - all kinds of raids on the Muslim problem people - more arrests - most likely they'll find more planning & plots totally unrelated ....

the Brits have something like 3500 Muslims under the scope - not beginning to count all the minor players ...
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Re: Explosion at Manchester England concert

Postby ajax727 » Tue May 23, 2017 7:53 am

The attack targeted kids and that is shameful . Killing the young is a method used to depopulate your enemy it is not new but effective in the long run to win a war and this is a war . We face an enemy that desires to have complete control world wide . Darn there's new world order thing again , believe as we believe or die .
Let's see 600 million cash ='s a hel l of a lot of dead kids .
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Re: Explosion at Manchester England concert

Postby Photon Guy » Tue May 23, 2017 10:20 am

ajax727 wrote:The attack targeted kids and that is shameful . Killing the young is a method used to depopulate your enemy it is not new but effective in the long run to win a war and this is a war . We face an enemy that desires to have complete control world wide . Darn there's new world order thing again , believe as we believe or die .
Let's see 600 million cash ='s a hel l of a lot of dead kids .


I can see how killing the young can be an effective strategy at reducing the population of the enemy but I would think that they would strike mostly at boys since they grow up to become the main fighting force. Most of the military and most of the front line soldiers are men. Its the men that do most of the fighting. This concert was mostly girls and it stands to reason that most of the victims will be identified as girls.

Regardless of who was targeted and who the victims are this is horrible and I believe the main problem is that we let people who would do stuff such as this run loose.
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Re: Explosion at Manchester England concert

Postby Permafrost » Tue May 23, 2017 1:48 pm

If terrorists think killing a small handful of young people will eventually win them the war they are in trouble. Even if every person injured in this attack died, it is still just 1 drop in the ocean compared to the total population of people in that age range. A war of attrition would need to be waged on a much larger scale to have any effect, like bombing every school in every city. Only then would you remove enough of the population to make a difference.

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Just FYI girls can fight just as well as boys. My 13 year old can shoot straighter and stalk game better than most of the boys her age. She has also become quite adept at breaking the noses of bullies, so even in hand to hand she is on equal footing. Never underestimate anyone based on their gender, it is the easiest way to loose.
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Re: Explosion at Manchester England concert

Postby Photon Guy » Tue May 23, 2017 2:55 pm

Permafrost wrote:P.S. Photon Guy
Just FYI girls can fight just as well as boys. My 13 year old can shoot straighter and stalk game better than most of the boys her age. She has also become quite adept at breaking the noses of bullies, so even in hand to hand she is on equal footing. Never underestimate anyone based on their gender, it is the easiest way to loose.


Well its usually young men that make up the fighting forces of countries. In the USA its men who are drafted during wartime and although this changed during the Obama administration it used to be that only men would be involved in direct combat. Your daughter is the exception but generally speaking countries look to men to make up their fighting forces and that's why sometimes the young male population is targeted when one country is trying to conquer another.
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Re: Explosion at Manchester England concert

Postby ajax727 » Tue May 23, 2017 9:02 pm

Last time i checked you need women to repopulate or at least that is how it is done in the south . Yes it was just a drop in the bucket but drops over time will fill up the bucket . This is not a one year war or ten year war but a war till they reach there goal and that is complete control . They repopulate as we have seem by abducting young girls knocking them up and then releasing them . They are also known to kill all the young males also when that attack .
The main idea of this attack was to show that they can and will strike any gender or age group to spread the fear .
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Re: Explosion at Manchester England concert

Postby BK in KC » Tue May 23, 2017 9:18 pm

This isn't a conventional war guys. The Islamist's aren't trying to kill all of the men who can fight, they are trying to destroy their enemies WILL to fight. Islam means "submission", they want their enemies to submit and bow to their rule. They know they can't conquer Europe through force of arms, at least not for a few more generations. They are playing the long game. Europeans aren't having enough children to offset the death rate but the Muslim immigrants are breeding like rabbits. They will take European brides and have more Muslim babies. Give it a couple of generations and Muslims will be the majority in Europe and nobody will have the will to fight them.

Long story short: Western Europe is lost. Eastern Europe isn't taking in "refugees" so they will likely survive.
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Re: Explosion at Manchester England concert

Postby ReadyMom » Tue May 23, 2017 9:30 pm

Possibility of another attack?? :bored:

Manchester attack: UK terror threat level raised to 'critical,' another attack may be imminent
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/05/23 ... inent.html

British Prime Minister Theresa May announced Tuesday that the country’s terror threat level has been raised to its highest level based on evidence gathered during the investigation of the deadly attack at a Manchester Ariana Grande concert, signifying that another attack may be imminent.

"The threat level should be increased, for the time being, from severe to critical," May said, adding the assessment is "a further attack may be imminent."

Raising the country's threat level means that armed military personnel will replace police officers at some public events, such as sports matches, according to May.

Based on intelligence provided by the British, a U.S. government official told Fox News the evidence points to a suspect who was "coached or trained on line or in person" to carry out the attack.

The official described the bomb placement to Fox News as “perfect” to maximize casualties, which required planning.

Earlier on Tuesday, British authorities identified the suicide bomber who launched a deadly attack at the concert, hours after the Islamic State terror group claimed responsibility for the blast.

Salman Abedi, 22, was identified as the man who detonated an improvised explosive device at about 10:30 p.m. local time Monday, killing more than 20 people, some of them children, and injuring dozens more, Manchester police confirmed in a news conference on Tuesday. At least 12 children under the age of 16 were injured, emergency responders said. An 8-year-old girl was among the dead.

May said Abadi was born and raised in Britain.

It was previously reported that Abedi was 23, but police clarified that another 23-year-old man was arrested. Two warrants have been issued at two separate residences. Officers used a police-controlled explosive device to gain entry into one home.

ISIS claimed on Tuesday that "a soldier of the caliphate planted bombs in the middle of Crusaders gatherings" then detonated them, but Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats said that the U.S. had not yet verified that the terror group was responsible.

The explosion unfolded outside Manchester Arena as Grande’s concert was coming to a close. The pop star, who wasn’t injured, reportedly suspended her Dangerous Woman Tour following the attack. She wrote on Twitter, "broken. from the bottom of my heart, I am so so sorry. I don't have words."

Officials believe the device was packed with shrapnel, built to inflict as much human damage as possible, according to U.S. law enforcement sources. Manchester police said one of their priorities is to investigate whether the attacker acted alone or had some kind of support.

Around the United Kingdom and across Europe, the attack brought fear and mourning. At Buckingham Palace, Queen Elizabeth II marked a moment of silence along her husband Prince Philip as well as Prince Charles and his wife Camilla. In Rome, the lights of the Colosseum and Trevi Fountain were darkened.

While on a visit to the West Bank city of Bethlehem, President Donald Trump called the perpetrators "evil losers" and said "this wicked ideology must be obliterated."

Manchester, located 160 miles northwest of London, is one of Britain's largest cities. The attack was the deadliest in Britain since four suicide bombers killed 52 London commuters on subway trains and a bus in 2005.

The claim of responsibility by ISIS echoed others the group has made for attacks in the West but with vague details that left open the possibility it was an opportunistic attempt at propaganda.

Manchester itself has seen terror before, but not this deadly. The city was hit by a huge Irish Republican Army bomb in 1996 that leveled a swath of the city center. More than 200 people were injured, although no one was killed.

The bombing also elicited painful memories of the 2015 terror attacks in Paris, where most of the 130 killed were at the Bataclan concert hall.

Fox News' Catherine Herridge, Jake Gibson and the Associated Press contributed to this report.

"It is a possibility we cannot ignore, that there is a wider group of individuals linked to this attack," she added.
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Re: Explosion at Manchester England concert

Postby Photon Guy » Wed May 24, 2017 11:39 am

So I was thinking, had this happened in the USA and had the bad guy used guns instead of a bomb that there would be yet another fit of hysteria with people calling for more gun control. This happened in England which has among the tightest gun control in the world and the bad guy didn't need a gun to cause the carnage he caused. This was done with a homemade bomb that was made from stuff that could no doubt be purchased at most hardware stores. The point is, bad people who want to harm others are going to find ways to do it. Limiting the availability of guns wont help as it didn't in this case. Back in 1990 there was a case where somebody lit up a dance club in New York using gasoline purchased from a nearby gas station, 87 people were killed. By making guns harder to get for good people all it does is limit their rights and their ability to fight back against the bad guys while the bad guys will find a way to cause harm with or without guns as in this case.
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Re: Explosion at Manchester England concert

Postby dmwalsh568 » Wed May 24, 2017 12:44 pm

Photon Guy wrote:So I was thinking, had this happened in the USA and had the bad guy used guns instead of a bomb that there would be yet another fit of hysteria with people calling for more gun control. This happened in England which has among the tightest gun control in the world and the bad guy didn't need a gun to cause the carnage he caused. This was done with a homemade bomb that was made from stuff that could no doubt be purchased at most hardware stores. The point is, bad people who want to harm others are going to find ways to do it. Limiting the availability of guns wont help as it didn't in this case. Back in 1990 there was a case where somebody lit up a dance club in New York using gasoline purchased from a nearby gas station, 87 people were killed. By making guns harder to get for good people all it does is limit their rights and their ability to fight back against the bad guys while the bad guys will find a way to cause harm with or without guns as in this case.


Gun rights are important to protect, but this is the wrong incident to use in their defense.

Unless someone had noticed he was carrying a bomb then the first sign of a bad guy would be the flash, boom and then the moans of the injured and dying.

Similar situation with someone burning down a bar. I certainly wouldn't waste time trying to shoot at someone setting fire to the building I was in - getting out is job one. Then you can make decisions on the best course of action. Of course if you're in an illegal social club with only one way in and out, you're making poor choices that might reduce your life expectancy....

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Re: Explosion at Manchester England concert

Postby Photon Guy » Wed May 24, 2017 3:32 pm

dmwalsh568 wrote:Gun rights are important to protect, but this is the wrong incident to use in their defense.

Unless someone had noticed he was carrying a bomb then the first sign of a bad guy would be the flash, boom and then the moans of the injured and dying.

Similar situation with someone burning down a bar. I certainly wouldn't waste time trying to shoot at someone setting fire to the building I was in - getting out is job one. Then you can make decisions on the best course of action. Of course if you're in an illegal social club with only one way in and out, you're making poor choices that might reduce your life expectancy....

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Well the main point I was trying to make is that both in this recent atrocity in Manchester and the act of arson back in 1990 in NY that in both cases they didn't need guns to do what they did. There are many other cases and examples of people causing mayhem and killing multitudes without the use of guns, most notably 9/11. You are right that even if they had security with guns in Manchester they wouldn't know or be able to do anything about the bad guy with the bomb until it was too late. If you ask me what they should have is better security for people entering such events. People should have to go through those same machines that they've got at airports and their belongings should be searched for anything dangerous, much like what you have to go through at an airport, or what I had to go through in Atlanta, GA.

The other point Im making is that there are bad people in this world and if they're allowed to run loose they are going to find ways to harm innocents somehow or another no matter what they have or don't have access to.
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Re: Explosion at Manchester England concert

Postby MADE IN AMERICA » Wed May 24, 2017 5:37 pm

Just say NO to muslim importation would help!
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