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ATF Takes Toy GUNS

Postby Nomad » Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:42 am

ATF take toy guns for NO orange tips and states they can be made real......
These are AIR SOFT runs on batteries and air charges shoots a plastic ball.
ATF ......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2sWiZ8BizI
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Re: ATF Takes Toy GUNS

Postby WyoDutch » Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:50 am

And you can bet your last silver dollar that the ATF "special" agent who pulled that boneheaded stunt got a cash award.

And this is what passes these days for our "government".
You know times are bad in America when GW Bush's presidency starts looking good..
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Re: ATF Takes Toy GUNS

Postby oldasrocks » Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:58 am

Someone should tell that agent to get out of his house FAST! There is a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen in it that kills people.
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Re: ATF Takes Toy GUNS

Postby RaigenB » Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:56 am

Wow....
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Re: ATF Takes Toy GUNS

Postby SCVCERT » Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:42 am

First,
I do airsoft, its a BLAST.

I shop at one of the largest arisoft dealers in the U.S., They tell anyone buying a gun, that the guns MUST come with an orange tip or they will not get by customs. Bottom line!
This is NOT the agents fault or the store owners fault, it is the vendors fault. They should be the ones to pay for it.
As for being able to convert them to use as a real weapon? LMAO, these guys are smoking crack !!!!!
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Re: ATF Takes Toy GUNS

Postby LackyPrepper1 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:53 pm

I know nothing about airsoft guns except that they are realistic looking replicas of actual firearms that shoot pellets. But I'm wondering when it comes to the point of converting them into "real" firearms, are these guns close enough to the real thing that the lower receiver can be converted to function with a real upper? After all, if they're using 3D printers to create plastic lowers, is it just possible that an airsoft lower could be used in a pinch? It's the lower itself that is considered the firearm.

Obviously a toy barrel is not going to be made to withstand real ammunition, and I would imagine it's not even close to functional, i.e. no feedramps, caliber, barrel twist, etc.

Please no flaming. It's just an honest question from someone who has never seen or handled an airsoft gun.
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Re: ATF Takes Toy GUNS

Postby Blackthorn-USA » Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:22 pm

LackyPrepper1 wrote:I know nothing about airsoft guns except that they are realistic looking replicas of actual firearms that shoot pellets. But I'm wondering when it comes to the point of converting them into "real" firearms, are these guns close enough to the real thing that the lower receiver can be converted to function with a real upper? After all, if they're using 3D printers to create plastic lowers, is it just possible that an airsoft lower could be used in a pinch? It's the lower itself that is considered the firearm.

Obviously a toy barrel is not going to be made to withstand real ammunition, and I would imagine it's not even close to functional, i.e. no feedramps, caliber, barrel twist, etc.

Please no flaming. It's just an honest question from someone who has never seen or handled an airsoft gun.


That was the case. The lowers could be used with real uppers. ATF considers only the lower as the gun on the AR15 so thats what they were concerned with, not all the airsoft stuff attached. That video is also 3 years old, I'm sure you could find nore details by Googling it.
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Re: ATF Takes Toy GUNS

Postby Pedro wyoming » Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:40 pm

LackyPrepper1 wrote:... But I'm wondering when it comes to the point of converting them into "real" firearms, are these guns close enough to the real thing that the lower receiver can be converted to function with a real upper? After all, if they're using 3D printers to create plastic lowers, is it just possible that an airsoft lower could be used in a pinch? It's the lower itself that is considered the firearm.

Obviously a toy barrel is not going to be made to withstand real ammunition, and I would imagine it's not even close to functional, i.e. no feedramps, caliber, barrel twist, etc.

Please no flaming. It's just an honest question from someone who has never seen or handled an airsoft gun.

Lacky,
It is a valid question as the airsoft reps are very close to the real thing in appearance. The direct answer to your question is no. The airsoft models cannot be used in ARs or any other model for that matter. I use empty airsofts in training and other than appearance there is nothing in common.

The reason the orange tip is required on replicas and forbidden on lead slingers is to assist law enforcement avoid killing the wrong citizens. I noticed that the pregnant woman and old man targets in the news recently did not have an airsoft option on them...

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Re: ATF Takes Toy GUNS

Postby LackyPrepper1 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:46 pm

I did as Blackthorn suggested and did some google research. I found an article written by the individual who owns the business that had the firearms seized. Apparently the ATF argument was that with a "little work" the lower receiver could be converted for use with functional AR uppers, but never defined what "a little work" meant. The retailer took the question to a qualified gunsmith and was told that theoretically it was possible but it would take significant time and effort. After all, the shape is there, you just need to measure and drill some holes, reconfigure the trigger assembly with real parts, etc.

The ATF argument is really outrageous when you consider it. If the definition of "readily convertible" is taking something that's roughly the size and shape of an AR lower and machining it to the exact specifications that you need, then technically a block of wood is a readily convertible AR lower.
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Re: ATF Takes Toy GUNS

Postby Rabid » Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:09 pm

You can also take a piece of steel tubing a block of wood and some rubberbands and make a handgun. Don't get caught with these items.
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Re: ATF Takes Toy GUNS

Postby Blackthorn-USA » Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:50 pm

I remember when that story broke and thought then it was pretty ridiculous. But that was the ATF’s argument. It’s interesting though that making your own lower is not illegal and you can purchase 80% lowers right now. Meaning the only thing you need to do is mill the trigger well and drill the holes for trigger pins to have a functioning non serialized lower, legally. There are of course some rules to owning those, but they are legal to make.

Apparently you just can’t use a toy to make your lower. I think there’s more to the story but we’ll probably never know. Old news and all…
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Re: ATF Takes Toy GUNS

Postby IceFire » Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:48 pm

My husband is an airsoft enthusiast. The first time someone tried to fire REAL ammo from one of those, the airsoft gun would blow apart. The ATF are a bunch of freaking idiots.
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Re: ATF Takes Toy GUNS

Postby karenbruce » Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:04 pm

I just thought before an airsoft guns as replicas is made of plastic materials and is served as as model gun.

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Re: ATF Takes Toy GUNS

Postby Fenix » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:06 pm

karenbruce wrote:I just thought before an airsoft guns as replicas is made of plastic materials and is served as as model gun.


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Re: ATF Takes Toy GUNS

Postby namwal » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:47 pm

SCVCERT wrote:First,
I do airsoft, its a BLAST.

I shop at one of the largest arisoft dealers in the U.S., They tell anyone buying a gun, that the guns MUST come with an orange tip or they will not get by customs. Bottom line!
This is NOT the agents fault or the store owners fault, it is the vendors fault. They should be the ones to pay for it.
As for being able to convert them to use as a real weapon? LMAO, these guys are smoking crack !!!!!


Please explain the point of the orange tip? Is it beyond the possibility that some thug could paint the tip of a real gun orange? No law against it. Could a kid not paint his orange tip black? Foolish but easily done.

Point some a toy or real gun at me, orange or black tip, and if I have to opportunity, I'm gonna drop you like a sack of bricks.

http://www.examiner.com/article/orange- ... a-gone-bad
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