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Postby Photon Guy » Mon May 08, 2017 6:37 pm

The screw is an ancient invention. Supposedly there's evidence that there were screws around as early as the 3rd century B.C. Anyway, from what I know sometime in the mid 20th century they came out with the Phillips screw. The Phillips screw was a new and improved design and its distinguishable with its cross head design. So I was wondering why today all screws aren't Phillips screws? Its supposed to work better than the old fashioned single slot screw so I don't see why they still make the old single slot screws. I particularly find this frustrating when I need to turn a screw and its an old single slot screw and all I've got are Phillips screw drivers. You can sometimes use a regular screw driver to turn a Phillips screw but you can't use a Phillips screw driver to turn a regular screw. So like I said, its frustrating.
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Re: Phillips screws vs regular screws

Postby Illini Warrior » Mon May 08, 2017 6:41 pm

Photon Guy wrote:The screw is an ancient invention. Supposedly there's evidence that there were screws around as early as the 3rd century B.C. Anyway, from what I know sometime in the mid 20th century they came out with the Phillips screw. The Phillips screw was a new and improved design and its distinguishable with its cross head design. So I was wondering why today all screws aren't Phillips screws? Its supposed to work better than the old fashioned single slot screw so I don't see why they still make the old single slot screws. I particularly find this frustrating when I need to turn a screw and its an old single slot screw and all I've got are Phillips screw drivers. You can sometimes use a regular screw driver to turn a Phillips screw but you can't use a Phillips screw driver to turn a regular screw. So like I said, its frustrating.



then a square drive or clutch head is really going to pizz you off ...
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Re: Phillips screws vs regular screws

Postby rickdun » Mon May 08, 2017 6:55 pm

Photon, they make about 50 or more different head screw styles anymore, I have a 20 pack of bits for screws and every bit is a different size, different depth, different dimension, different pattern, etc.. That's not including security screws, metric/american sizes, kinda like wrenches, open end, box end, metric, american, half open, half closed, straight, curved, S shaped, etc..

Manufacturers just can't leave things simple, it's all about the almighty dollar anymore. :help:

But, I buy all standard screws, phillips and standard, it makes it simple for me.
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Re: Phillips screws vs regular screws

Postby bacpacker1513 » Mon May 08, 2017 8:07 pm

After working industrial maintenance for year, I have found I really like Allen head for as much as I can use. Phillips works well for small stuff.
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Re: Phillips screws vs regular screws

Postby rebnavy1862 » Mon May 08, 2017 9:10 pm

Phillip's head screws date to the mid 19th century, as do hex head bolts and nuts. Not common, but they can be found on machinery from the mid 1800s.
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Re: Phillips screws vs regular screws

Postby DR1VENbyKNOWLEDGE » Tue May 09, 2017 9:09 am

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Driven, are you sure you are from Kalifornia? You make a lot of sense.
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Re: Phillips screws vs regular screws

Postby bacpacker1513 » Tue May 09, 2017 9:50 am

He head, thanks Reb. Grew up hearing them called Allen head and could not recall Hex last night.
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Re: Phillips screws vs regular screws

Postby Photon Guy » Tue May 09, 2017 9:51 am

DRIVENbyKNOWLEDGE for some reason the image isn't showing up.
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Re: Phillips screws vs regular screws

Postby DR1VENbyKNOWLEDGE » Tue May 09, 2017 10:19 am

Photon Guy wrote:DRIVENbyKNOWLEDGE for some reason the image isn't showing up.



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Driven, are you sure you are from Kalifornia? You make a lot of sense.
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Re: Phillips screws vs regular screws

Postby arkieready » Tue May 09, 2017 11:26 pm

Torx (star drive)
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Re: Phillips screws vs regular screws

Postby sageprice » Wed May 10, 2017 12:23 pm

I am not an authority on this but it was explained to me in the following way:
Anything with a circular thread is a screw.
As screw becomes a bolt if it has a nut on it if not its still a screw. (machine screw)
any difference in the head are only attempts to increase or spread the applied pressure to the surface. (cap screws verses flanged)
Any differences in the drive point are attempts at transfer more torque (twisting motion) to the screw. phillips vs slotted vs torx vs square vs hexhead (allen).
Thus is my complete knowledge on the subject.
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Re: Phillips screws vs regular screws

Postby NJMike » Wed May 10, 2017 12:30 pm

Yeah...lots of screw types. I have no preference (maybe Phillips for general use). I just keep lots of bits and drivers around to deal with the variety.
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Re: Phillips screws vs regular screws

Postby Everyman » Wed May 10, 2017 1:30 pm

When wood was extensively used in yacht and ship building slotted wood screws were an absolute requirement. Boat hulls were typically built from clear cabinet grade mahogany screwed to oak frames. All the care in the construction was identical to fine cabinet making. The wood was treated as a precision material. When a hull was planked the planks were fastened to the frames with bronze screws that were counter bored into the planks. The counter bore was then filled with a plug that was glued in place. Often, after years of use the screws had to be replaced. The planks were fine but the screws would become wasted. So shipwrights would pull the plugs and replace the screws. One problem they always had was that the glue used to hold the plug filled the slot of the screw. It was a simple matter to take a straight bladed screwdriver and ‘chisel’ out the glue from the slot so a larger bit (turned by a brace) could be used to remove the screw. If you use a phillips head screw in this application it would be a nightmare to remove the screws because it is tedious to remove glue from a phillips head screw. The same thing is true of screws that are countersunk, puttied over and painted.
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Re: Phillips screws vs regular screws

Postby Gunns » Thu May 11, 2017 9:30 am

Everyman wrote:When wood was extensively used in yacht and ship building slotted wood screws were an absolute requirement. Boat hulls were typically built from clear cabinet grade mahogany screwed to oak frames. All the care in the construction was identical to fine cabinet making. The wood was treated as a precision material. When a hull was planked the planks were fastened to the frames with bronze screws that were counter bored into the planks. The counter bore was then filled with a plug that was glued in place. Often, after years of use the screws had to be replaced. The planks were fine but the screws would become wasted. So shipwrights would pull the plugs and replace the screws. One problem they always had was that the glue used to hold the plug filled the slot of the screw. It was a simple matter to take a straight bladed screwdriver and ‘chisel’ out the glue from the slot so a larger bit (turned by a brace) could be used to remove the screw. If you use a phillips head screw in this application it would be a nightmare to remove the screws because it is tedious to remove glue from a phillips head screw. The same thing is true of screws that are countersunk, puttied over and painted.


And there ladies and gentlemen is a very good history lesson. Thanks Everyman I had no idea and this kind of stuff is cool to hear or read.

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Re: Phillips screws vs regular screws

Postby Photon Guy » Thu May 11, 2017 1:42 pm

Everyman wrote:When wood was extensively used in yacht and ship building slotted wood screws were an absolute requirement. Boat hulls were typically built from clear cabinet grade mahogany screwed to oak frames. All the care in the construction was identical to fine cabinet making. The wood was treated as a precision material. When a hull was planked the planks were fastened to the frames with bronze screws that were counter bored into the planks. The counter bore was then filled with a plug that was glued in place. Often, after years of use the screws had to be replaced. The planks were fine but the screws would become wasted. So shipwrights would pull the plugs and replace the screws. One problem they always had was that the glue used to hold the plug filled the slot of the screw. It was a simple matter to take a straight bladed screwdriver and ‘chisel’ out the glue from the slot so a larger bit (turned by a brace) could be used to remove the screw. If you use a phillips head screw in this application it would be a nightmare to remove the screws because it is tedious to remove glue from a phillips head screw. The same thing is true of screws that are countersunk, puttied over and painted.


That makes sense, but most of the time you're not going to be using screws where you've got glue or other stuff that can get in the slots so except for specific situations, such as the one you mentioned, I don't see why phillips screws wouldn't be used all the time.
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